#33: The nuanced reality of the product leadership job market | John Cutler & Josh Herzig-Marx

Welcome to another episode of Supra Insider. This time, Marc and Ben are joined by John Cutler and Joshua Herzig-Marx (friends of the show) to explore a growing trend in the product community: product leaders struggling to find their next roles.

We discussed the contributing factors to this trend, including the flattening of product organizations, the rise of super IC PMs, and the influence of AI. The conversation dives into practical advice for product leaders navigating these challenges and what the future might hold for product leadership.

For anyone who is navigating the evolving product management landscape, considering a career transition, or interested in how AI and organizational shifts are reshaping the role of product leaders, this episode is for you.

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In this episode, we covered the following topics:

• The current trend of product leaders taking longer to find new roles

• Contributing factors such as the flattening of product organizations

• The role of AI in changing product leadership dynamics

• The emergence of the Super IC PM

• The impact of companies focusing on efficiency and reducing team sizes

• Advice for product managers in transition and those considering a role change

• Predictions for the future of product leadership in the next decade

• And more!

If you’d like to watch the video of our conversation, you can catch that on YouTube:

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Links:

• Joshua Herzig-Marx: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuaherzigmarx/

• Joshua Herzig-Marx’s Website: https://jhm.lol/

• Carla Naumburg (JHM’s wife): https://www.carlanaumburg.com/

• John Cutler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnpcutler/

• John Cutler’s Substack: https://cutlefish.substack.com/

• Ben: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benerez/

• Marc: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbaselga/

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